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It's like Christmas!!! I'm so happy!

Do you have a preview guide for Civil 3D as well?

After 2 hours of AutoCAD LT 2011 trial testing I found very annoying bugs, especially on selection.
Taking into account that LT is based on AutoCAD, I am sure that these bugs are present also in AutoCAD.

0. The performance is very poor when selecting a non-associative hatch having islands.
To reproduce, set GRIPOBJLIMIT=0 (all grips are selected) and draw a big rectangle.
Inside it draw a closed concave polyline of 10-15 edges (lines and arcs), like a steel wide beam profile.
Array the polyline 10x10, all inside the rectangle.
Hatch the rectangle with a non-associative hatch. Will result 1 hatch with 100 islands.
Select the hatch. It takes 7-8 seconds that the hatch to be selected (!?!).

In order to avoid this delay a new variable HATCHGRIP (saved in the drawing) can be added.
HATCHGRIP=0 for 2008 behavior (1 grip for each hatch entity).
HATCHGRIP=1 for 2011 behavior (grips for all hatch edges).
In order to make the AutoCAD speedy, any user can work currently with HATCHGRIP=0 and, when it needs to edit a hatch by grips, can turn it on temporary by setting HATCHGRIP=1.

1. Draw 2 polylines, overlapped and identical.
Select them. The grips are shown.
Do realtime pan or zoom (using wheelmouse) => gray "+" signs appears at the middle of the polyline segments (!?!).

This happens also with a closed polyline hatched with a non-associative hatch, when both are selected.

2. Turn OTRACK off. Turn OSNAP on.
Set OSNAP "perpendicular" and/or "extension".
Draw a line => at the second point, otrack small cross and temporary line appears, even if OTRACK is off (!?!).

3. Start drawing a revision cloud.
The aperture is displayed even if APBOX=0 (!?!).

4. Draw something.
Set GRIPOBJLIMIT=0 (all grips are visible).
Select using mouse => grips are displayed.
Select using QuickSelect => no grips are displayed (!?!).

5. Create a new drawing.
Make a new layer called 1, having red color.
You will have 2 layers = 0 (white) and 1 (red).
Draw a line. Select it and assign layer 1 to it.
Layer 0 = current.
Select the line. In the layer dropbox, layer 1 is displayed.
Type copy, move or rotate command. Enter => in the layer dropbox, layer 0 is displayed (!?!) even if in color dropdown box ByLayer is red.

6. BEDIT > the window has the correct thumbnail preview.
REFEDIT > the window has a very small thumbnail preview (!?!).

7. Purge window => "Purge all" icon is the old 2004 DWG icon (!?!).

Quinn,

Thank you very much for your feedback and looking at LT 2011. Can you please tell me about your hardware and system environment as that could be a potential factor to any performance issues. I will also forward your feedback to our QA group to research.

Sincerely,
Shan Hurley

I test it on:
XP x64 and 7 x64
Q6700, 4GB, Velociraptor 300GB
8800 GTX, 1920x1200

and more:
8. Select the hatch (previous drawn). Realtime zoom/pan => It takes 7-8 seconds to zoom 1 step or to pan (!?!).
9. Grip colors > Grip contur color.
This setting should be available for all grips. Now, it's not working for triangular grips (on arc, mtext, table ...).

Quinn,

Thanks for the information. Some of the items appear to me to be design concerns or very specific setups. I would suggest you participate in future betas at http://beta.autodesk.com and work with the product team to provide feedback and defect reports.

You can also provide feedback and problems to report to the product teams at:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1109794

Best Regards,
Shaan

Quinn

I recieved the following from our QA that as logged your feedback. Please be sure to log any future feedback on the feedback form at http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=1109794

0. The performance is very poor when selecting a non-associative hatch having islands.
To reproduce, set GRIPOBJLIMIT=0 (all grips are selected) and draw a big rectangle.
Inside it draw a closed concave polyline of 10-15 edges (lines and arcs), like a steel wide beam profile.
Array the polyline 10x10, all inside the rectangle.
Hatch the rectangle with a non-associative hatch. Will result 1 hatch with 100 islands.
Select the hatch. It takes 7-8 seconds that the hatch to be selected (!?!).
In order to avoid this delay a new variable HATCHGRIP (saved in the drawing) can be added.
HATCHGRIP=0 for 2008 behavior (1 grip for each hatch entity).
HATCHGRIP=1 for 2011 behavior (grips for all hatch edges).
In order to make the AutoCAD speedy, any user can work currently with HATCHGRIP=0 and, when it needs to edit a hatch by grips, can turn it on temporary by setting HATCHGRIP=1.

1.
This happens also with a closed polyline hatched with a non-associative hatch, when both are selected.

2.
This is the designed behavior of Otrack, aka object snap tracking turned off for the osnap extension. Perpendicular alone does not appear to be showing object tracking. Osnap tracking off, it would not show the orange/green point and tracking line, except for extension where it is used to show the extension of the line and uses the dash line and marker. I reviewed this case as far back as 2004

3.
We have reviewed this on Win7 and XP. The APBOX did not appear on either of those systems. I changed APbox and size settings. APbox does not ever show up at any point during a revcloud command. Turned off I could not make it appear for any command. Turned on, appeared as appropriate for the commands it should appear for. Could you have meant the hatch command and not the revcloud command? We are looking for other instances where APBOX =1 for the apbox to show up where it previously did not, but no cases have been reported and reproducible of APBOX = 0.

4.
This is the design of gripobjlimit. Gripobjlimit 0 seemed to have no effect. That is also how it acted in previous versions. So I checked help for the expectation: “When set to 0 grips are always displayed.” Therefore I think the user thought the same thing as I did which is that 0 should show no objects… but it is clear in help that 0 acts as infinite grip selection.

5.
This is the design of the layer drop down. This works the same as previous versions back to 2004.

6.
Bedit and Refedit have the same size preview window for our test cases

7.
Yes they are. The icons have been the same for some of the previous releases as well.

Thank you for your feedback and please join the beta teasting at htp://beta.autodesk.com that way you can participate in a release early before it is final and work with the team to find and address defects.

Sincerely,
Shaan Hurley

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