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2011 beta...?

I really hope this isn't some crazy April Fools joke, I would love to see more Autodesk products on a mac, including Inventor.

Robert,

This is no April Fools.

Cheers,
Shaan

I really hope this survey isn't an April Fools' joke :s

are you serious? that would be great!! can you do viz and max on a mac as well? i know hundred people who would use them.

Mmmm a little late, should never have removed it in the first place, still if its under consideration then, lets go for it, it will save disk space on parallels, and loading windows, so I can use Autocad, the only reason to use windows I might add. Need a beta tester, talk to me, only happy to be involved. Why !, have you tried exporting from any other CAD program to dwg, it is always a trial, and they just don't export correctly, I spend more time checking exports and seeing if all are in the right vain, colour and as for blocks, don't get me started. Yes lets have Autocad back on the Mac

I wouldnt mind AutoCAD on a Mac, I dont use them, but I figure it will be a whole lot easier to port AutoCAD to Linux if it can run on OS X.

Why spend the time and money on this, when parallels and bootcamp make it possible already? Seems like Autodesk would get very little bang for its buck.

Welcome to the world of Macs Shaan.

This is great news, really, it is something that really would be appreciated by many out there, I could also see it benefiting the Mac platform overall.

I guess the issue would be all the add-ins: ARXes, .NET DLLs, etc. You might get AutoCAD but how useful would it be...

But yea, I'd love it but I completely understand if Autodesk doesn't do it because they don't think they'll get their money back.

why? seriously why? you're looking at 3~6% of the computers in the world, significantly less than that in the business world, and there's a very viable method to run it on the OS at present. add in that their machines cost more for the same hardware, and don't have appreciable intrusion detection, and it's not a great business decision to use them.

i *do* think that many of autodesk's products should be available on other platforms, and not bound into an OS, i'd love to be running ACAD and Revit natively on my laptop and home machine running kubuntu, but i can vitrual them just fine.

imho, fix software bloat and improve overall performance before you start pandering to a very loud very small minority of your customers, *who are still your customers*. and then untether it or bundle into it windows components needed to run on *nix based systems (like osx)

it's not like autodesk is going to loose 3% of it's global sales because it's not trivial to install it on mac or 1% for linux. if you can install and configure acad, you certainly can figure out how to use virtual box or boot camp.

besides wouldn't there have to be 3 ui skins then? the vista ribbon, the "classic", and the os x. realistically you know that folks will clamor for it.

There seem to be a fair amount of fascination with the idea of running Revit or Inventor on Mac too.

Mac users might not account for a huge percentage of the total Autodesk customer base, but the Mac platform is associated with design and creativity--something Autodesk seeks to promote.

Some call the Mac phenomenon a cult; I think it's much more than that. It's a culture that cares about out-of-the-box thinking, aesthetics, and user experience. Who knows? The process of porting AutoCAD to Mac might force developers to make the software perform better and easier to navigate--something Windows users could inadvertently profit from.

Shaan,

Very good news! I use Mac myself and will love to see some Autodesk products inside OSX.

This subject came up at AU2008 and I think Autodesk can start some very good projects over the OSX platform (not only inside Mac Desktops but also over the iPhone platform based too on OSX).

Apple is doing a pretty good job allowing more integration with Windows platform which is increasing fast the number of multiplatform users like me.

Today we can see a lot of CAD products working on both OSX and Windows. Autodesk must play this game too with AutoCAD!

Best regards,
Fernando Malard.

I think Linux is a way to go in corporations, If you port autocad to linux it's easy to do Mac Version.
I use windows because of Autocad and Max.

kenneth:
"Mac users might not account for a huge percentage of the total Autodesk customer base, but the Mac platform is associated with design and creativity--something Autodesk seeks to promote."

not so much anymore, popularly it's generally a status symbol or for folks who value fashion over function. part of it's allure is its pretty design, and the creative image, but that's image, not so much utility anymore. now, there are a lot of architects who design for form and not function, but most of them still build buildings to be used, as well as looked at.

"Some call the Mac phenomenon a cult; I think it's much more than that. It's a culture that cares about out-of-the-box thinking, aesthetics, and user experience."

if you're defining a culture as out of the box that's based on doing the same thing it's starting in the box. a creative culture is something like the steampunk or makers movements where folks are (for steampunk) taking an aesthetic and doing what they will with it, or (for makers) creating or reimagining anything they want.

i think cult is a little strong, but from a straight hardware standpoint, their boxes cost more for proprietary stuff and has not insignificant QC issues. their OS has more unpatched security holes than any other commercial OS. (there are very few known wild exploits though -- security through obscurity is not security) emotionally being "different" like others, or exclusive is a big draw, but it's not why a business buys a tool. frankly it's why some of us wore what we did in the 80's.

don't get me wrong, they make some *very* pretty toys, but i'll take stronger performance from a more reliable company.

While I am all for freedom in my OS choice, at this point, Autodesk would have nothing to gain and potentially much to lose in development and support costs by porting AutoCAD to OS X. Put simply: Any OS X port will not result in increased sales of AutoCAD or its verticals.

Firstly, AutoCAD is mission critical design software, not a "disposable" app like a game. Worker-bee users do not have a choice of CAD software they can use; they are AutoCAD users first, and as a result Windows users second. The choice of OS is entirely dependent on business-wide IT concerns (e.g., hardware, drivers, software, compatibility, and cost), which is why we're all working under Microsoft's side of The Force.

However, for something more trivial such as a game, then the situation would be different. Games are consumables and of temporary use. Mac folks looking at a game purchase would buy the OS X version, and probably not jump OSes just to play it. Game developers would do well to develop for the Mac to increase overall sales.

Secondly, people are surely not resisting AutoCAD solely because it's not available on OS X or alternates like Linux. Because of past history, very few design firms are OS X-only shops. If you are an OS X only shop, chances are that AutoCAD is a secondary, much less critical component of your business.

And you can always run AutoCAD (and run it well) using BootCamp or VMWare. So those OS X or Linux users have already paid for an AutoCAD license. Thus, the best possible outcome is a few licenses to cross over from Windows to OS X. And that won't happen if the cross-grade cost is expensive (a very high possibility).

The other problem is Windows 7 x64, which is going to be a polished, solid OS when it is released. It's Vista Fixed, and should stem the tide of XP frustration and compare well to OS X in terms of performance and capability.

But the killer of all of this is OS X's Achilles' Heel: You have to run it on Apple hardware, an expensive yet severely performance limiting option.

You can always get the latest and greatest, insanely fast x86 hardware for cheap. But you have to wait at least a year for Apple to get around to design new Macs. And even then the necessary upgrades you absolutely need to run AutoCAD and its verticals well will tank your budget.

The only saving move I see would be if it were "generally possible" (wink) to use OS X on any PC hardware. Then it would drive the popularity of OS X and thus encourage developers to port their apps. But at least until Steve Jobs leaves, Apple is not going to let that happen.

I'd want Autocad on a mac, windows just not doing it for me anymore.

i cannot install my autocad 2009 on apple mac.why?its for windows only?

I'm waiting for AutoCAD and VIZ on MAC for a long time...

AutoCAD for Mac would be my dreams come true. Boot camp works but is a costly option. I don't even like having windows on my Mac because of viruses. I would love to be a beta tester for the Mac version of AutoCAD.

I represent an international yacht design firm and we have been with Autocad and other Autodesk products for nearly 2 decades. Last year we have been moving over to some Macs because we getting just too fed up with hardware/software interface and stability issues. We use a lot of very specific Windows developed software because of our niche industry but we manage to get everything running just fine in VM ware using either XP32 or Vista64bit versions. However it remains a pain running in a shell, disk access through the virtual network link for one slows things down. Anything which can run in the native operating system would be a massive plus. Autocad still remains our core program to push out 2D working drawings and as a result remains the single most used program in the office. Getting that native on a OSX instead of windows would be a big plus. The cost of the hardware is irrelevant in a professional environment compared to any downtime due to software/hardware problems. In the office you just want a machine which works and keep working Macs have proven to be far more reliable to us than any Windows based PC in the past year.

Please bring AutoCAD to the Mac, but only if you drop all the C#, .NET, and Direct 3D stuff you've been adding the last few years.

On another front I switched to an iMac at home a year ago and will never go back to Windows at home. I cuss my work machine daily cause it's not a Mac and wish badly it could be. AutoCAD for Mac would allow it to be.

Please please please make a civil 3d for osx so i can switch my entire office over!

I have been an AutoCAD user since Release 10 running in MS DOS. I continued my career all through the Windows releases with loyal upgrades and spent thousands of dollars on new computers over the years, tweaked for constant AutoCAD work.

I switched a few of my key machines to Mac last year and now wer're moving all of our machines in the office, including Admin desktops to Macs. From my vantage point, Macs are simply better computers, inside and out. And I say this with authority as I have been a loyal Windows user since Windows 3.0. My entire computing life has been in Windows.

With the move to the Mac we encountered the dilemma of what we were going to do about our CAD needs. We run AutoCAD throughout the company as well as a host of other specialty programs that are Windows-only. We keep one Windows machine in the office for this purpose and also run these programs in Parallels as well.

Although running in a VM has not presented any problems, it isn't ideal. Also, Autodesk does not support these configurations so we are lost if there are any problems. Adding Revit and other high level programs without support is simply not practical.

So guess what? We switched all of our CAD systems to Nemetschek Vectorworks and we're very happy. Our decision to switch was based on many factors, but being able to run a powerful, comprehensive 3D/2D CAD application with extensive BIM functionality written in native OS X code on our Macs was a key factor. Yes, there are new learning curves and new ways to approach our drawings, but overall, it has been overwhelmingly positive.

If AutoCAD and Revit were offered as REAL OS X code (no .NET, or other Win-specific garbage as previously noted), optimized for the Mac, then that would be a very tempting proposition, however, at this point it would be difficult to spend that kind of money when Vectorworks already provides similar functionality and is significantly less expensive.

With all of that being said, I would still welcome any move by AutoDesk to stop ignoring what we believe is a superior computing environment.

I am a long term AutoCAD user and the owner of my consulting engineering firm. We are Civil/Environmental engineers and rarely (actually virtually never) have a need for 3D capability. We work in the 2D world.

In 2006 we moved our entire company to the Macintosh platform for a number of reasons and have been very pleased with our choice. We now run AutoCAD and AutoCAD LT on our Macs in a virtual machine using VMware. While this works quite well, it does not allow us to use the best capabilities of the Macintosh.

If you were to develop a native Macintosh version of AutoCAD with at least full 2D capabilities that would adhere strictly to the Macintosh interface and interoperability guidelines and standards (so that AutoCAD would fully interoperate with all other Macintosh applications) that would be a very desirable product.

Not only would engineers use such a program but so would graphics illustrators, technical writers, and many other professionals.

I would suggest that you consider developing an "LT" version of AutoCAD first so that you can gain experience in implementing full Macintosh interoperability and work out how to get your software to be fully Mac-like.

Those that do not use a Macintosh have no concept of what I am discussing; perhaps the best feature of the Mac is that all Mac programs fully interoperate so closely that one would believe that they were all developed by one company and were designed up-front to work together. This is something that has never been possible on a PC and never will be.

I have a client is more then interested. They have been looking at switching for some time, but not sure that VMWare and Parallels will make the cut.

We need 3d Studio Max & Revit instead!

How about Autodesk Inventor for Os X? Inventor is the modern cad system from Autodesk...

Good idea

AutoCad on Mac again?!!
we was one of the first, here in [Trondheim, Norway] to use it on the Mac... ...manymnay years ago.

Please bring it to the Mac!

please bring it over to the mac. here we have running a bunch of macs with parallels, just for autocad. we'd love to get rid of it and install it native. c'mon!

Thank you for all of the great feedback.

The survey is experiencing overload with the number trying to add their feedback. It is amazing and great.

Best Regards,
Shaan

Put Cad on the mac. It can't hurt. And maybe it will help with stability?

I think you should put more investments into ensuring that your future products and current releases work well on Windows which offers some compelling options such as 64-bit computing. Adobe has embraced this with a 64 bit release of Photoshop CS4 which guarantees increased performance and stability. I am not against the Macintosh, I think OS X is a respectable operating system. But don't base future developments because of the amount of Justin Long vs John Hodgeman ads you are seeing on TV or the web.

Another reason is lack in focus, things like this can make or break you. It happened when Quark spent too much time focusing on a Windows port, it happened when Aldus spent too much time on a Windows port of PageMaker ironically. Focus on where your technology is strongest and that's Windows.

3D MAX for mac will be the best thing for last 10 years.

Yes please, ASAP!

I used to work with AutoCAD since 9.2 DOS version. Now I am having MacBook Pro and missing AutoCAD here.
It would be great to have it running native under OS X which seems to be much stable than Windows.

Business people do not use Macs as a status symbol-rich bratty kids and hipsters do. For the business user, a Mac is more reliable and quality machine, will last longer, and frankly, much easier to use. The future of computing is going to be all about the UI (Apple understands this, Vista stole it), a simple interface that still allows for very in-depth and complex functions(Vista is only pretty, OSX works; ahem, command line=simple but subtly complex).

If AutoCAD was brought over to the Mac, it would essentially revolutionize the entire architecture (engineering, design, etc.) industries by allowing the USER to choose the system they are comfortable with, not having to worry about compatibility issues or what the rest of the industry is doing.

If you can't tell, I'm a huge supporter of file format standardization. Pick what works best, and innovate it as necessary. There's no need to have a different format for every company, or every product line within companies.

Finally!

I dont know about others, but the main reason for me to switch to mac is to get a working environment which is fast. Windows can be fast, but compared to mac it takes an enormous amount of fiddling and setting up and the maintenance is a huge timehog.

In my working environment, I do not have the time or the will to fiddle with obscure settings in x programs installed for every imaginable peripheral device, so I run OS X which has the one thing right that matters: UI. I have a very variable workday and the UI has to adapt to my needs at the moment very fast, something OS X does but windows as far is i ever have experienced it, never does. It can be a netowrk printer which i cant connect to or a bug in some 3rd party driver, I dont care where it is, but as long as it doesnt work, I will rather use a system that does all that automatically and just lets me get on with work.

So that is the background. Now I have set up my workflow using several different programs, each has its strength and weakness. As an architect there is however one glaring spot missing. There are no good architecture drawing software available for mac. Archicads UI is so outdated it is hard to work efficiently, while their naming, shortcuts and menus totally ignore the standards of every other computer program every written. How many times do you really need to click to draw a window? My biggest problem however is that archicad leads nowhere in terms of workflow. The dynamic link to Cinema 4D is a big joke since Archicad cant handle more that 70.000 ish polygons before it crashes, which means that everything you would actually use C4D for is out of the question. Sure, you can render stuff but the plugins written for C4D are so buggy and use the Graphisoft UI standard, I.e. you have to use weeks to learn all the quirks before you can do anything.

Vecotrworks is just the same, different package. UI is lacking and the price is out of this world. Since there are no editions for students, its all pretty much impossible to tie yourself to.

Which takes me to REvit. Please write it for mac instead of autocad. Its not perfect and I have my hated parts in there as well, but its miles ahead of the competition.

Regards, W

I'm not AutoCAD user, but I had to learn it in my school.

I have Mac at home, and to do my homework I had to go through pains of installing virtual Windows.

It was lagging, had glitches, poor refresh rate on simplest drawings. I'm not sure if it was because of virtualisation or AutoCAD itself, but overall I've got bad very impression of the application.

Of course it would be easier and faster with native version.

BTW: if you're going to port it, try to make it feel like Mac application. Observe platforms conventions and follow Apple's HIG.

Last year I sent an email to Autodesk explaining how a couple of my fellow landscape architecture colleagues (including my director) would prefer to use Mac OS X through their Mac laptops (via their external monitors) at work rather than Windows on the company’s generic PC.

I hope I have helped spawn the development of a Mac version of the brilliant AutoCad application.

3DSMax on the Mac please, its the only reason I still use a PC, everything else I do, I do on the mac.

Don't waste your time, Windows 7 will kill Mac :)

Hi,

I'm currently Auditing a company (60 users).
They're asking themselves if a switch to Mac/Vectorworks would be possible.
They'd definitly stay with Audocad if there would be a Mac version.

Julien

AutoCAD for mac would be fantastic. I could finally ditch windows!

3Dsmax for OSX, please.
Autocad eventually, but it already works with parallelization.

I can't wait for the Mac version of AutoCAD. I am a Mac-only user and run Window's applications using VMware. It would be great to have AutoCAD run natively on a Mac.

oh man when i heard this i couldn't believe my eyes.... it will be so amazing to have autodesk in my mac ... i am a long time pc user and just swithced to mac for obvious reasons but was kind of sketchy by the fact that i had to run autocad by vm fusion ( wich in fact works way better than in any of the other computers ive used) i am a 3d autocad architecture designer and just the idea of having all my mac's power on my computer just gives me goosbumps...

hope to see it soon

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